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major disagreement between GnuBG 0-4 ply and rollout...or, am I doing it wrong?!

Posted By: Michael Nielsen
Date: Friday, 17 May 2013, at 8:40 a.m.

In Response To: major disagreement between GnuBG 0-4 ply and rollout...or, am I doing it wrong?! (bb766)

Second... If my interpretation of the rollout is correct, should I really believe Gnubg analysis if even 4 ply analysis is this far off from the rollout's?

Bots aren't perfect and the stronger the settings the more likely you are to get the correct result.

I would guess that if you use the supremo (2-ply) or grandmaster (3-ply) analysis level you will get the correct indication more than 90% of the time, so I wouldn't disregard the analysis just because it can be wrong on occassion. Instead I would do exactly what you did. When you don't trust the evaluation you see, then do a rollout. I would recommend 2-ply (supremo or world class) as settings for the rollout.

Can you always trust a rollout? Well no, but you can trust it a lot more than an analysis on pretty much any ply.

Here's a rollout from eXtremeGammon:





White is Player 1

score: 0
pip: 60
7 point match
pip: 110
score: 0

Blue is Player 2
XGID=-aCGBaa----------a-bbbabbA:1:-1:-1:00:0:0:0:7:10
Blue on roll, cube action?

Analyzed in Rollout No redouble Redouble/Take
Player Winning Chances: 80.67% (G:0.00% B:0.00%) 82.85% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 19.33% (G:6.99% B:0.23%) 17.15% (G:7.28% B:0.81%)
Cubeless Equities +0.536 +1.225
Cubeful Equities
No redouble:+0.799 (-0.201)±0.004 (+0.795..+0.803)
Redouble/Take:+1.172 (+0.172)±0.009 (+1.163..+1.182)
Redouble/Pass:+1.000
Best Cube action: Redouble / Pass
Rollout details
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
Double Decision confidence:100.0%
Take Decision confidence:100.0%
Duration: 4 minutes 24 seconds

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2

XG evaluates this as a drop on all plys but the lower you go the closer it gets to thinking it's a take.

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